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Monday, November 26, 2007
There are just over 3 months until the glory of baseball returns to our daily lives in the form of Spring Training, and surprisingly the Yanks have already managed to hammer down quite a bit of their 2008 roster by way of resigning Jorgie Porgie, Big Mo, and A-Rod, picking up Abreu’s option, and bringing in the fresh managerial blood with The Girardino. As has become the norm over the past few years, though, pitching is yet again a question mark. The good news is that – unlike so many years in the past – the team has quite the stockpile of strong healthy youngsters to fill out the rotation or perhaps even be traded for a proven the Free Agent Man of the Hour, Johan “And You Thought Barry Baked Ziti Was Expensive?!” Santana.

Mr. Santana still has another year with the Twins left on his contract – for which he is due $13.25 mil - and the Twins actually reportedly offered him a 5-year deal worth $93 mil last week, but he has made more than one comment just in the last year about wanting to be dunzo with that team. Based on the comments he made about wanting to play for a championship team and the fact that he wants a lot more than just 5 yrs/93 mil, Santana would probably waive his no-trade clause to head for a team with the cash to sign him to a monster extension and the talent to make a post-season run, and I would say that the Yankees fit the bill on both accounts. Because of that no-trade clause, though, Santana has quite a bit of leverage. The twins can't just trade him to any old team; he could very easily muscle out his last year in Minnesota in favor of waiting to become a free agent after next year and then really go after some big bucks, and he will probably demand a hearty extension as part of any trade offer. Of course, Santana won't have a trade to approve or disapprove until the Twins feel like they are getting a great return. According to at least one source, they are asking the Yanks for Melky and Hughsie, which, to Ye Ole Yankees Chick, sounds like a very fair deal, but if the Cash Man has anything to say about it (and sidenote: where the hell has our dear Cash Man been these days? It seems as though Hank Steinette has been keeping Cash in a closet and doing all the talking) the Yanks might want to keep a tight hold on Hughsie. If the Twins are wise, they will put together a trade that Santana will approve ASAP, because they are going to be sans Santana in 2009 either way and they might as well get something in return; if the Yanks are wise they will listen to what the Twins want, throw some cash and years Santana's way, and lock that sucker down.


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posted by Yankees Chick @ Monday, November 26, 2007  
  • At 2:24 PM, Blogger Mike said…

    Yankees dont need Santana. Remember this: "Beware of good pitchers on bad teams."

  • At 2:43 PM, Blogger Nick said…

    No no no no no!!

    The Yankees need to stop buying over rated superstars and focus on developing their young talent.

    The team from '96-'04 was filled with no-namers who played well together. After we started going after big names (Clemens, Sheffield, et al.) we stopped dominating. I really believe teams with good PLAYERS (not superstars), do much better then teams with over-rated, ego-driven prima donnas. Remember the good old days of O'Neil, Brosius, Williams and those guys? They were never superstars, but they were good, and consistent. They didn't make waves in the media, showed up and did their job.

    The media frenzy surrounding A-Rod is annoying and distracting enough..adding Santana will just be another distraction. They need guys who can focus on the game.

    [end rant]

  • At 2:52 PM, Blogger Mike said…

    I completely agree with Nick.

  • At 3:01 PM, Anonymous Joe said…

    The rumors say that the Twins are requesting "3-4 Pitching Prospects".

    Agreed with Nick by the way. MOST of the best Yankees of all time were/are HOME GROWN while some of the worst were free agents and trades.

  • At 4:11 PM, Blogger Jonathan said…

    dont do it! keep the young pitchers..i want to see philip, joba, and IPK grow together!
    let the seedlings grow instead of always going for the quick fix

  • At 4:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "The team from '96-'04 was filled with no-namers who played well together"

    Are you retarded? The only "homegrown" pitcher they hqad was Andy Pettitte. David Cone, Wells, Key, etc were all imports. And you're bitching about bringing in Clemens who won two world series?

    You guys are idiots

  • At 2:38 AM, Anonymous Brian said…

    Big words by someone who won't even type their own name...you pussy.

    I'm all about the home grown talent, but when it comes to the best pitcher...Maybe ever? It's hard to ignore. I agree some guys are untouchable, only one I can really think of is Joba, Id really rather not get rid of Melky, but a hughes-melky-kennedy package is probably as far as I'd go. I'd rather give up Cano than the Melk man but...eh... Idk I got a thing for lefties, what can I say?

  • At 8:40 AM, Blogger Adrian said…

    If we can sucker them into giving Santana to us for Melky, IPK and Ajax, fine. Otherwise, piss off. It's not worth sending either of the top two prospects to Minnesota for a guy who'll start trending downward before his monster contract is up.

    But yeah, I'm sick of the Brostalgia. Scottie was good, but I'd take A-Rod over him any day of the week.

  • At 9:53 AM, Anonymous Joe said…

    Let's look at this realistically...

    Cano - Who would he be replaced by?

    Melky - Last time I checked, we've got no shortage of outfielders who are starter quality players.

    Kennedy - I'd say he's the lesser of the 3 young pitchers so I wouldn't be too sad to see him packaged in a deal.

    Hughes - Obviously a great player but I don't see him as an Ace. At least not anytime soon. If he were to start next season he'd probably be #4 or #5 in the rotation.

    Joba - Seriously, trade him and you're fucking retarded.

    I can honestly say that I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks trade a boat load of talent for Santana only to watch him flop. I know Santana is still young and has had a lack of run support with the Twins but he's definitely not worth 4-5 of our best young talent. 2 Pitchers, 2 position players...MAYBE.

    My hopeful prediction is Melky (who can fill the void left by Hunter going to the Angels), Hughes, Kennedy and another position player.

  • At 12:20 PM, Blogger ajgdrums7814 said…

    Overrated superstar?

    Are you fucking kidding me? This isn't signing Gary Sheffield or Jason Giambi.

    Johan Santana is the best pitcher in the game of baseball. Santana is DOMINANT. Look at his 2004-2006 seasons. That is DOMINANCE. Even in a down-year in 2007, he finished with an ERA in the low 3's and over 230 strikeouts.

    That said, I'm iffy about the said deal, simply because it involves Hughes. I could care less about Melky if it means we're getting Santana. But Hughes is the #1 prospect in the game and is under cheap control for a long time.

    Ideally, the Yankees would make this deal for Kennedy, Cabrera, Jackson and another prospect. However, I don't see that happening.

    I would be sad to see Hughes go, but I would be thrilled to see Santana join the Yankee rotation. By adding Santana, I'd say the Yankees automatically become the favorites this year.

    1. Santana
    2. Pettitte
    3. Wang
    4. Mussina
    5. Kennedy/Chamberlain

    The best hitter in baseball and the best pitcher in baseball on the same team?

    Anyone who is complaining about that needs to get their head checked.

  • At 12:23 PM, Blogger ajgdrums7814 said…

    And also...

    ...those of you saying that Hughes should be dealt but Joba is untouchable need to get your heads examined as well.

    Hughes is the top pitching prospect in the game and has been for several years. He's got a longer and better track record than Joba, and I'd say his window of becoming a great pitcher is much bigger than Chamberlain's.

    You might be able to argue that Chamberlain has a higher ceiling than Hughes, and I might agree with that, but his floor is also much lower. Hughes is much more of a solid bet than Joba, in my opinion.

    The bottom line is, in a perfect world, the Yankees would keep them both and have two potential young aces. You might not be able to get Santana then, though, who is already the best pitcher in the game. You have to give to get.

  • At 12:46 PM, Blogger Mike said…

    Check my blog on some interesting numbers on Santana. He as trouble vs AL East teams.He has poor numbers vs Boston, Toronto and Anaheim. He also does not fare well on the road in those parks.

    On another note: I don't want Mussina anywhere near the starting rotation. the 3 kids, Wang and get Pettitte back.

    Who plays center if Melky goes? The Yankees have soured on Damons ability to play CF on a regular basis.

  • At 1:00 PM, Anonymous alex said…

    santana is an GREAT AL pitcher who pitches great at yankee stadium. hes 28 years old and wants to pitch for the yankees. am i missing something?

  • At 1:22 PM, Blogger ajgdrums7814 said…

    I replied to your post on your blog Mike.

    You can take any small sample size you want for any player you want and make him look great or crappy. The bottom line is, over the last 4 years, nobody in baseball has come close to Santana's consistent dominance.

    In a perfect world, Hughes would BECOME Santana, and that's a long shot. You're trading a potential ace for a guy who's not only already a bonified ace, but the number 1 pitcher in the game.

    I don't care who the Yankees get to play CF, as long as it isn't Andruw Jones or Aaron Rowand. Get someone cheap who can play defense. Melky isn't that good. He's a very good defender, but he doesn't hit. He's a glorified Coco Crisp.

    If the Yankees blow big bucks/years on Rowand or Jones, I'm going to be pissed.

    My Blog: http://ajgdrums7814.blogspot.com/

  • At 7:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Guys unless you want to rebuild you need Santana.He's in his Prime,a lefty,not overrated like Chien-Ming Wang or a DL 4.00 ERa Pettitte.

    Lets get him and finally see strikeouts.

  • At 9:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…


  • At 12:59 AM, Blogger Berzerkomandor said…

    You just got took out by the Tribe, NY

    -and stay out

    Ah-- a front row seat at the further demise of my least favorite franchise... The Indians beat Santana every time we faced him this year (5 or was it 6?). After we killed you in the playoffs this year and you responded by axing Torre-- the best manager you could hope for-- I hoping the Yankees would manifest their downward spiral in short order. It seems this is taking place in spades. I don't think you new yorks know squat about baseball and nothing you're doing is proving me wrong. Dice-K, Clemens, Santana, Mussina? You better pray to get Pettite back. But you probably don't believe in the BaseBall Gods.

  • At 8:46 AM, Blogger Adrian said…

    Look, I just don't see what the frenzy is all about. Make the offer you can afford to give up, and then if someone else tops it, good for them. Santana is not a must-have aquisition. Even if we don't make it to the Serious, I'll have more fun watching Hughes and Chamberlain play than I will watching Santana, even if he IS dominant.

    Why? Because Hughes/Joba are ours. We raised them up. Why do we love Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera? Well, because they're good. But it's more than that. They're Yankees to the bone, icons of the franchise. Phil and Joba have that potential. We should give them the chance to impress us. Remember Hughes relieving Clemens last year? I enjoyed every moment of that game. If it had been Santana, even with the same outcome, I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much.

  • At 10:00 AM, Blogger ajgdrums7814 said…

    Adrian --

    So you'd rather the Yankees fall short but play their homegrown youngsters rather than acquire the best pitcher in baseball and have a better shot at winning the World Series?

    Sorry, I don't follow the logic.

    I understand that you want to keep Hughes....I do too. But Santana is the best of the best. There is nobody better than Santana. As great as Hughes' future appears to be, he'll be lucky to become the next Johan Santana.

    I'm in favor of whatever gets the Yankees another championship. Santana is a better bet than anyone else to do so.

    My Blog: http://ajgdrums7814.blogspot.com/

  • At 10:36 AM, Blogger Berzerkomandor said…

    This is not a matter of logic; the Yankees desperately need to LOOK like they are going after the highest rated talent and announce some monumental figure of compensation-- you'll get what you deserve: another failure. Gum up your starting rotation enough and you might not make the playoffs. I could handle that.

  • At 10:48 AM, Blogger ajgdrums7814 said…

    That's asinine. This isn't Giambi or Sheffield or even Randy Johnson.

    This is a 28-year old guy who has posted numbers better than anyone else in the game over the past 4 years.

    He is THE BEST. This isn't some overrated, overpriced risk like Pavano or Jaret Wright. This isn't some aging, declining vet like Randy Johnson or Kevin Brown.

    This is a guy in the prime of his career who is the TOP pitcher in the game.

    Gum up their rotation? What in the hell are you talking about? Santana-Pettitte-Wang-Kennedy-Chamberlain/Mussina is a very solid rotation. If Kennedy and/or Chamberlain excel faster than we expect, that could be a spectacular rotation.

    To insinuate that acquiring Johan Santana is a bad thing proves how ignorant you are. If you want to offer some evidence, be my guest. You're best argument seems to be,
    'the Yankees are just doing this because they want to look liek they're going after high-rated talent,' which is asinine.

  • At 9:02 PM, Blogger Adrian said…

    Let me defend myself a little bit: Santana is a dominant pitcher in a weak division on a bad team. Hitters numbers against him have steadily increased over the past 3 (4?) seasons. His numbers against ALEast teams are much less impressive. I just don't buy the hype, and I think the asking price is liable to be too high.

  • At 4:09 AM, Blogger Alex Geshwind said…

    2003: 12-3, 3.07era, 1.09whip, 169k/150ip, 7th in cy young.
    2004: 20-6, 2.61era, .921whip, 265k/228ip, 1st in cy young.
    2005: 16-7, 2.87era, .971whip, 238k/231ip, 3rd in cy young.
    2006: 19-6, 2.77era, .997whip, 245k/237.3ip, 1st in cy young.
    2007: 15-13, 3.33era, 1.07whip, 235k/219ip, 5th in cy young.

    if his number are declining it is because you cant possibly have 5 years like 2004. Still he has been by far the best pitcher since he came into the league in 03.

  • At 4:20 AM, Blogger Berzerkomandor said…

    Yes well, I don't fear Santana. As I said the Indians beat him every time this year. But let me play the Devil's advocate and say I hope it works out.

  • At 5:54 AM, Blogger Adrian said…

    Okay, well in a post Garza world, how does IPK and Hughes sound for Santana? It sounds pretty bad to me.

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